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[solitary_summer]

I might have missed something there, but...

So Amy's pregnancy (or lack thereof) gets discussed at quite long lengths, but not the fact that she was willing to kill a little girl (albeit a rather mysterious one) to protect the Doctor? When she couldn't even be sure it was the same person in the spacesuit? Ten had a moral crisis over his companions wanting to kill the Daleks to save the entire universe in JE, and those were the Daleks. Who were on a mission to eradicate all non-Dalek life. I can't even imagine how Nine or Ten would have reacted if Rose or Martha or Donna tried to shoot someone—a child—for no other reason than trying to protect him.

I have somewhat less of a problem with Eleven being less gun-phobic generally, but this is really hard for me to reconcile with S1-4 canon. At the end of the last episode I thought that this was almost too dark, how they hell were they going to resolve this, and also (between that scene and River talking about how it was going to kill her when the Doctor wouldn't remember her any longer), if this was going to be about how profoundly being with the Doctor fucks people up. But apparently it's a complete non-issue?

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[caz963.livejournal.com]

I admit - this is something I missed out in the review I wrote just after the episode had aired - but I think I'm suffering from the same Moffat-itis that I always seem to suffer from; that it's all fine and dandy at the time, but half an hour later, I'm going huh?

The girl turning up with a cracked visor and them Amy apologising for shooting her... was that just a sort of "oh blimey, I'd better put a line or two in about that" or was it more significant?

All I can say is that the pay-off had better be worth it this time.

[solitary-summer.livejournal.com]

The girl turning up with a cracked visor and them Amy apologising for shooting her... was that just a sort of "oh blimey, I'd better put a line or two in about that" or was it more significant?

No idea. I thought it would be more important since it was last week's cliffhanger, but maybe that was just setting up the little girl's regeneration?

What you're saying about the Amy/Rory/Doctor pseudo-triangle... I have the same issue with River shooting the Silence(s?). It is kind of badass, and I wouldn't bat an eyelid if it were on TW, but on DW? After RTD that kind of off-hand violence is a bit of a shock.

[sensiblecat.livejournal.com]

It isn't even consistent with Moffatt's earlier characterisation of Eleven - what happened to the man who couldn't bear to hear a little girl cry? And now ignores her to go off and have adventures?

Unless the Silence are in there still influencing him, of course.

I'm still uneasy about him co-opting humanity to commit genocide, also. Harriet Jones got her career destroyed just for firing on one race in self-defence.

[solitary-summer.livejournal.com]

I'm still uneasy about him co-opting humanity to commit genocide, also.

I agree. In itself it was an interesting and somewhat effective idea, but on DW? I've seen very little classic DW, so I can't speak for that, but I can't recall this kind of off-hand, okayed by the Doctor and unquestioned on any level, violence during RTD's run. The fact that people are being turned into killers without being able to make a conscious decision about that, and without even remembering it, is almost the antithesis of how he treated the whole violence/death theme.